There you go – now I'm done, wasted far too much time on this shit.
My thanks to Grumpy who introduced me to Christine Kenealy, a fine historian I had never heard of.
Jim Carroll

"Since that is the dominant view of historians and has been for over 80 years, that seemed a reasonable thing to do."

2Please explain clearly why the dominant views of historians should not be even considered, and why you want them suppressed."

"I just saw the thread dominated by the discredited and outmoded nationalist version of history and gave three very brief extracts that reflect the revisionist view that has been the dominant view of historians these last eighty years."

"The professional historians, who have dedicated their whole lives to the study of all the data and contemporary sources from the period, are quite clear that your old, outmoded nationalist propagandist stories are false."

"Jim, we have seen from the links provided by your supporters that the dominant view of professional historians is not one of blame.
That old discredited nationalist version was buried eighty years ago."

"His nationalist view we know, thanks to your supporters, has been rejected by actual historians for over eighty years now."

"Historians are clear that there is no-one to blame for the famine.
I think we should heed the real historians?
Coogan and the cult fraudster are not historians"


"We have seen that the dominant view among the real historians is that there is no blame and no cause for hatred.
Just sorrow."

"You need excuses and justification for your prejudice, and if eighty years of consensus is not enough for you, you are destined to die still loathing us."

"So Jim favours the "nationalist" version of the famine.
No surprise there Jim, but why should we ignore the views of modern historians who rufute it?"

"All historians agree it was catastrophic for Ireland.
The old "nationalist" historians regarded the English as being uniquely uncaring and the Irish as uniquely the victims.

"Revisionist" historians challenge the view that England was culpable"

"So Jim favours the "nationalist" version of the famine.
No surprise there Jim, but why should we ignore the views of modern historians who rufute it?
Again, what is your opinion as a historian worth?"

"For all I know, but it is hard to dismiss all the modern historians who have formed a different view."
"Were you not aware that "revisionist" historians do not accept the view that "nationalist" historians have for so long regarded as objective truth."

"I find there is an old traditional version of famine history, and a version that modern historians have put in its place.
It says little for your scholarship that you were not even aware of that dichotomy, never mind the accepted terms for the 2 sides of the rift."

"True I claim no specialist knowledge, but I have read some that are eminent and well respected historians who dispute your old nationalist history"

"That is the version of history that was exclusively given in this thread, apart from my 3 short extracts, even though historians have recognised for over eighty years now that it is false."

"You believe a lie, not according to me, but according to the profession of historians who have dedicated their whole lives to uncovering the truth of this.
You believe a lie pedalled by fanatical nationalists for their own political purposes."

"The professional historians who are, overwhelmingly do not agree with you and Coogan."

"The quotes produced on this thread indicated that most historians believe that the government was not responsible for the deaths."

AND LAST AND MOST DISGUSTING.
"It seems that generations of Irish schoolchildren have been brainwashed with false history presenting Britain as "villain."
Poisoning children's minds with hatred has cost many lives and much misery and it still goes on."