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Posted By: Jim Carroll
07-Aug-13 - 08:52 AM
Thread Name: Folklore/History: Irish Famine
Subject: RE: Folklore/History: Irish Famine
Susan,
Sorry – find the Bea(s)tles unbelievably bland – would send me to sleep if it wasn't for their their pseudo American – cum – watered-down Scouse didn't irritate me so much
Droit du seigneur was claimed to the common practice of in rural Ireland English Landlords, "surpassed only by Tsarist Russia" by
Jim Carroll
Quinn and Droit du seigneur ~ Quinn, The Lord of IT and Life is beyond the law.
Posted on August 27, 2012 by dialogueireland
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droit_du_seigneur
The French expression Droit du seigneur roughly translates as "right of the lord", but native French prefer the terms droit de jambage ("right of the leg") or droit de cuissage ("right of the thigh"), in reference to the exercise of this supposed right. The term is often used synonymously with jus primae noctis which is Latin for "law of the first night".
A few days ago I was talking to a person who was telling me without thinking about it that Quinn thought from the earliest days that he had Droit du seigneur. This led me back to 1988 when I met a very beautiful woman who had done the massage course and observed that Quinn would have liked to have exercised the ("right of the thigh"), with her. To protect her anonymity put it this way if her partner had heard about it Quinn would have had a contract put out on him. Quinn did not practice this in the original sense of the "law of the first night" but in the sense that he had the right to have any woman he wished regardless if she was married, engaged or a virgin at any stage but usually when he could control the milieu. It was not always him who exercised this right, other males around him also did this and he was in some cases second in line. He regarded himself as not being above the law but beyond the law. This person who told me this was so conditioned he did not in any way think it strange that this was type of stuff happened. Added to this was the fact that in his early days he was able to use his Jesus Christ aura to mystify women and get them to go places they were unable to resist.
http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2011/12/15/the-origins-of-tony-quinn-at-templeogue-house/
We have alluded to a woman who was involved with sex magic who has been affected psychologically since the early seventies. I have interviewed her personally and will publish her story when it does not harm her in any way. I have a witness who was present the next morning and heard how frightened Quinn was of retaliation.
Recently and in conversations with women and in the comment section these issues have been alluded to.
If any one has flash backs about this and taking into account what is been written about the guilt and the fear you have about speaking about this, do contact us and we can put you in touch with women who can travel with you.
http://dialogueireland.wordpress.com/2012/08/27/quinn-and-droit-du-seigneur-quinn-the-lord-of-it-and-life-is-beyond-the-law/
Arthur Young was born in London worked at Kings Lynn. He wrote widely on social matters in England and France and travelled extensively. His book ,"A Tour in Ireland" in 1780 was highly acclaimed. He criticised heavily the landlord class and sympathised with the plight of the lower and working classes. All this evoked much debate . He claimed that 'droit du seigneur' was commonplace in rural areas of Ireland at that time. For the first time the focus was on rural life in Ireland, rather than on that of Dublin.
http://www.colaiste-na-ngael.com/iris6/answers.html
But nowhere, except probably Tsarist Russia, was the droit du seigneur practised more openly and brutally than in Ireland. In Ireland the landed aristocrats were backed by the English army of occupation, and enjoyed the rights of conquerors as well as the old feudal rights of great land-owning aristocrats.
http://www.ricorso.net/rx/az-data/authors/m/Molloy_MJ/life.htm
Young went on to describe how some landlords were sexually abusing Irish women over whom they had power: 'Landlords of consequence have assured me that many of their cottiers would think themselves honoured by having their wives or daughters sent for to the bed of their masters, a mark of slavery that proves the oppression under which such people live.'[17] This was reminiscent of the times in ancient Britain when nobles had enacted laws like jus primae noctis (right of the first night), which gave them the right to have sexual intercourse with a woman serf on her wedding night - and the medieval custom of droit du seigneur which allowed the feudal barons to do the same. Young showed how similar practises - and worse - were going on in Ireland towards the end of the 18th century.