Well, as John Prine put so eloquently " You forgive me and I'll forgive you, we'll all forgive each other till we all turn blue..." There's nobody on any part of this bloody mess who doesn't need it. I need to revise my statement about Jane Fonda. She made some pretty good movies. "Klute" is worth renting at your local video store I went to a talk that she gave with Tom Hayden at UC Berkeley sometime in the early 70's. I don't remember what they said other than it had to with the CHristmas bombing of Hanoi in 1972?. Tom Hayden is a pretty unpretentious guy( at least he was then). He walked to the front of the stage, sat on the steps. and spoke to the people in the first few rows. He was theoretical, and serious. After he finished talking, there was a pause, Jane eentered from the back of the stage, did what can only be called a star turn, smiled her radiant smile, and started her talk as she walked to the front of the stage. OF course, by the time she got there, she had the whole audience. Her talk was full of passion. I came away thinking that here was an actor, first, and a political activist second or even third. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the Vietnamese used her or duped her one way or another, why wouldn't they try to? I believe that she tried to use what celebrity she had to make difference, it didn't turn out quite how she had wanted but that was true for most of us whatever side we were on, but she was a very popular actor at the time, so sought and got more attention than other people who might have been more politically savvy. I forgive 'em all. When that magazine publishes its list of "100 greatest War Criminals", I hope they reserve a spot for McNamara, Bundy, Rostow, and others of that ilk, who did the careful analysis that demonstrated to themselves that the war could not be won by the U.S., yet kept it going for many more years. If your brother, husband, father or son had to die for that.if they were Vietnamese or American, what can you call it but a bloody. miserable waste of life. time and money. Still workin' on it here in China Seth