"certainty on God's existence".    But you reserve the right to constantly attack those who do believe.    While they, on Mudcat, are willing to live and let live. Sorry, your noses are growing.


And your attempts to muddy the water between atheism and skepticism are, in a word, pathetic, Either you are atheists or skeptics.    Sorry, this is not a Chinese menu.

It's fascinating that our Mudcat atheists (who are now attemptng to back away from the term--wonder why)---endorse that world-renowned scientist, Mr. Dawkins, who has accomplished so much in the field (even though the only science he seems to have mastered is the science of polemics), over that also-ran, Einstein.


Einstein on atheists:    "The fanatical atheists" (a good description for some of our contributors on this thread) "are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle.    They are creatures who--in their grudge against traditional religion as the "opium of the masses"--cannot hear the music of the spheres."    Seems to be a remarkably snug fit for Mr. Shaw, considering his background. And perhaps for others.

Einstein on science and religion, as I'm sure you've heard before:    "Science without religion is lame;   religion without science is blind".    Which is very likely the view of Joe and some others on Mudcat. In other words, both are essential.

Also:   "Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe--a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."


Humble of course except for those who have all the answers already--like Mr. Dawkins and his yes-men amply represented on this thread.