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Thread #150071   Message #3551207
Posted By: Steve Shaw
20-Aug-13 - 06:55 PM
Thread Name: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion
Richard Dawkins is seeking truth, like all good scientists, by seeking evidence. 'Tain't hard.

Some religious people accept Darwin and others don't.

I have a big issue with this. Valiant though those believers are, they simply can't have their cake and eat it. If you believe in a God who is anything like close to the image of the all-powerful creator figure, then, try as you might, you simply can't espouse evolution as well. It really should be make-your-mind-up time if you're being honest with yourself. The creator God can't operate without goals, yet evolution has goals as its anathema. The ideas are mutually exclusive. I've seen brave stabs at this, for example "God kicked off evolution then let it run" and "God is the driving force behind evolution", but you are simply indulging in a massive and dishonest intellectual copout in your effort to avoid conflict with science. The fact is that God cannot be inserted into evolution at any point along the way, from the very first manifestation of life right up to the wonderful diversity we see today. He doesn't fit anywhere. The laws of nature take care of everything. Trying to give God a role is like trying to persuade people that prunes are wonderful in a Victoria sponge. You can try to make the case, but you have a hell of a lot of explaining to do, and you're doomed to failure.

Been oop north for a few days, taking me owld mum for drives out (her legs are all but gone these days). We tootled around Toddy and Hebden Bridge on Sunday, heading back over the tops to Colne via Heptonstall and gorgeous it was in the sparkling sun. On Monday we noshed at The Bull at Broughton near Skipton and then pottered around t'Dales via Grassington, Arncliffe and Malham. Gobsmacking. Frustrating not being able to get out for a ramble but couldn't really abandon Muvvah for that kind of stuff. Still, gorgeous to see it was. I wasn't a bad creator at all when I come to think of it. It wasn't you who made Burnley, was it, Musket? Not Turf Moor of course. That was me, clearly.