I think we're pissing into the wind Suzy...most of the people here just want to score personal points when they think they have the ascendency; and keep their heads down when their ideology is proved to be wrong.

Political partisanship is very powerful and destructive....."liberalism" has nothing to do with absorbing ideas, listening to alternatives, even "toleration" of fact based arguments which contradict the on "message" ideology

"Liberalism" is in reality a form of "Fascism", a myth based philosophy which is deemed to be above normal debate.

"Some things are just the RIGHT thing to do".........how many times have we heard that from our politicians and our forum members? Usually from those whom we would trust the least. :0)

Foolishness and wilful ignorance are real dangers.