Unfortunately just browsed the freedom of sp thread.Anyway Poster little hawk re "death before knowing".Like the Christian how can a man be born again.Something to consider and remember a multitude of people do and have exp this and seen it through.Forget any notions he has or dreams etc look at the PHYSICAL process i think all religions try to deliver this process.No need to reply as it might be a while before i browse again, just something i thought i would throw in the mix for you to consider.Peace n dat       http://www.realitysandwich.com/introduction_u_g_krishnamurti