When I posted that I wondered if Joe might wade in. I have in the past questioned those like Joe who see the good in their faith as to why they carry on giving respectability by association to those who see religion as a tool rather than an ethos.

Keep fighting Joe, but to be honest, the race to irrelevance in the eyes of others is being won by the "assholes." Me? I'd use more colourful language to describe them but hey ho.