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Thread #152125   Message #3564846
Posted By: Stu
07-Oct-13 - 04:02 AM
Thread Name: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
Subject: RE: BS: Militant atheism has become a religion p
"evolutionists do the same, as lewontin admitted " lest we allow a divine foot in the door"

. . . and there it is. Except it isn't, as this quote (which appears widely on creationist websites but comes from an introduction to a Carl Saga book) is a misquote, and should be:

"...materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. "

What Lewontin is discussing here is the material nature of science, it's occasional counterintuitive results and not to allow supernatural explanations (which are artificial constructs the evidence os made to fit, as Shimrod said earlier).

"what you appear to do is say that you know dinos lived MYO ,so therefore soft tissue can last that long."

Strawman argument Pete. In the philosophical sense I do not KNOW dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, but from the scientific point of view the evidence we have accumulated very, very, very (keep adding 'verys' here for a minute or so) strongly indicates that they did and there is no convincing, evidence-based argument to the contrary. So I work from the hypothesis that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, and the evidence is so strong go we do 'know' in this case. In the case of soft tissues, which you keep harping on about refer to my earlier post which discussed it at length. The evidence is published and available, I suggest you read the scientific arguments supporting and against the author's conclusion.


"it seems to me more logical to say that there is no evidence that soft tissue could endure millions of years so the long age paradigm is wrong."

But there is evidence. See reply above. Read the paper.