Don't worry Steve. pete must still think I'm a twat even though I am giving him a back handed compliment.

Grishka. In analysing my contribution you either seek to drag out earnest debate or you are lecturing me. Neither will get you anywhere I'm afraid. For starters I use a silly nickname for a reason. Sure, everybody knows its Mather doing the typing and those who know Mather are pissing themselves laughing. Mather is too for that matter but I digress.

It is the concept "as a Christian" that gets me. Nothing else. Live and let live. I am presently installing some equipment I donated to a local church for that matter. But people who wear their Christian credentials in order to influence get my goat. In fact, I'll probably tether it to Keith's car if I get a chance.

Just think on this. If you detect any vitriol, any stereotyping of group delusion, then just remember it is reaction not pro action. Strong acid needs strong alkali if you are ever going to neutralise its corrosive effects.

Have you noticed how you always run out of nails on a Sunday just as B&Q are shutting as per religious law?