"it was given in ancient times and in places needs interpreting"

Do you mean literally or philosophically? Are you saying we need to weed out some of the more distasteful bits (such as stoning for cussing your parents) as they are not relevant?

"I reckon that deep time and biological dogma is just as entrenched as the YEC position"

Wrong. Here's the thing: if as a scientist we are found to be wrong, we say "righto!", assimilate the new information and move on. That's science. Dogma is challenged (it invites itself to be challenged and scientists have little time for it). As researchers we are all prepared to admit we don't know it all, or have all the answers. We're learning and discovering the truth bit by bit.


"I remind you that evolutionary belief has hindered science , by presupposing junk dna and vestigial organs"

What? This isn't even a sentence let alone a cohesive argument. What have you got against vestigal organs?


"you tell me what benefit the evolutionary story has made to actual beneficial science"

Bloody hell. What is "beneficial science"? If you're asking what contribution the study of evolution has made to our lives then where to start? Of course, the study of evolution is carried out by any number of scientific disciplines, and some of these (such as molecular biology) feed back into many important areas, such as medicine and help us understand how (for example) the role of certain genes during the development of an embryo; this is a relly quite fascinating area to study, and it's worth reading up on.

Evolution itself tells us lots about how species react to various environmental factors, and they help us understand everything from biodiversity to trophic cascades, to extinction events (such as the one we as a race are causing now). This has relevance for areas such as conservation and the study of species populations.

From an economic point of view, palaeontology and geology are massively important. Who do you think finds the raw materials for the computer you're using, for the petrol that runs your car etc? Without a firm understanding of evolution geologists wouldn't be able to date the rocks they are examining, or correlate facies across wide areas of deposition as they often rely on zone fossils to orient themselves in the geological record.

So the idea that "evolutionary belief" has hindered science is, if I may put it rather bluntly, complete and utter bollocks, and a statement that is without any foundation. It's worth reminding you Pete that your belief in creation happening exactly as it says in the bible is an extremist view, and many scientists of faith are quite happy studying evolution.


"you give me examples and I will offer instances of scientists believing in creation who have developed science."

There y'go. Now let's see those examples.