It was very clear that Paxo didn't regard this as a serious political interview. It was a programme filler, based around a publicity stunt by a struggling journal.

Brand is articulate and can be funny (it's his job) but this was adolescent sixth-form political naivety. He can see what's wrong, but has no coherent ideas what to do about it. Paxo quite rightly accused him of being trivial.

Most people in politics can recognise the problems, what separates them is their solutions to them. Brand has none, and when challenged by Paxo he seemed to think it wasn't up to him to provide them. That's not political thought, it's a toddler crying "It's not fair".