Hi,

Phil; I was reacting more to the two sides of the Needle of Death story, but you're right: In the context of this thread it does make sense if someone is speaking on behalf of the group. But then, in that situation you'd probably be pushing someone away, even if the hope is that they'll improve because of it. A bit of a last resort, I guess, if no gentler form of help will work, just one step away from marching someone to the parking lot for hands-on demonstrations.

Thread-drift part:
GSS: Don't worry. I don't have a crib to begin with, so the rare occasions I use sheets for one are when I need to recall who wrote the songs. And with the idea of bringing a pitch-pipe, I could add the keys or the starting notes there (don't know which works best, yet). For lyrics and melodies, OTOH, I just bring my head along, which usually works fine.

                                                               Mysha