Snail said that he's never said that evolution ain't true. Hey chaps and chapesses, it's there. In black 'n' white. Honestly, Snail, that really should be the end of our ultimately fruitless conversation, but I doubt you'll leave it there in spite of your capitulation. Let me just say this, in sum (and don't be at all surprised if I never respond to your tiresome nitpicking ever again). The world of nature is complex, diverse, beautiful and wonderful. And Godless. Evolution is what makes it what it is, nothing else. Evolution explains all of life on earth in all it's beauty and complexity, and nothing else gets a look in, not now or for ever more. Evolution has nothing to do with science, because evolution was going on for billions of years before the first scientist ever drew breath. Science is all about what human beings think and that is a novel phenomenon, a stripling compared to the phenomenon of evolution. Science might explain evolution, but evolution is not science. Celebrate it and revel in it and stuff the up-their-own-botties philosophers. They are philosophers, not jobbing scientists who do the actual work. Celebrate the heroes, not the worriers!