The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #152797   Message #3576055
Posted By: Bill D
15-Nov-13 - 06:21 PM
Thread Name: BS: Nasty Stuff Out, Pope/Manning/others
Subject: RE: BS: Nasty Stuff Out, Pope/Manning/others
"I am not sure if you fit that description, but I am beginning to have my doubts, perhaps you are just too nice a guy to speak your mind?"

HA! I'm not sure whether I've been insulted or praised!
I do speak my mind..although I try not to say everything that occurs to me as a possibility. The real point is that I also try to NOT debate with people who I consider too ignorant or crazy to carry on a genuine discussion. I do have discussions with Pete from 7 stars because I consider him honest & intelligent, despite my basic disagreement with his presuppositions and analysis. And the same basic principle applies to you on some topics.

As you note, some folks in the UK are a bit more... ummm.. 'explicit' in their opinions. I have often wondered if that tends to be a general trait, or whether we just have a skewed sample here in Mudcat. I often can't discuss certain things with even those I agree with due to their tendency to be sarcastic & insulting to their opponents.

People's opinions of others are always colored by their own views.... but it is how they develop and defend their own views that controls a lot of how they interact with others. You 'seem' to have some views that I and others **suspect** you do not totally admit to your reasons... but some of those who throw insults at you make little effort to sort it out. (Trying not to get into specifics here.)

My training for 6-7 years of college included analysis of how arguments and reasoning worked... and how to recognize careless and suspicious ones. That is always operating when I watch TV pundits, debate here in Mudcat, or simply read advertisements that distort truth and make deceptive claims. I do NOT read minds, so I seldom directly express an opinion about what they are actually thinking.. no matter what my suspicions.

So...to quit rambling... I DID find your general agreement with SW about Obama's real history to be ....ummm... less than thoughtful, so I said so. I find this to be true of many, many opinions people toss out about various conspiracy theories... and Obama's birth, religion, behavior..etc., are certainly subject to more wild theories than anyone can offer serious proof of. His actual life and data are too well documented for all the 'gay, Muslim, drug user' nonsense to have any traction... except for those who WANT to believe...or at least to suggest.. such things.

(Did you READ any of the Orly Taitz stuff? That is where a lot of this started.)