Joe... I'm a bit surprised by your last post, "homosexual agenda"? who said anything about that

I agree completely with your stance on abortion, I wish I was strong enough to practice a "faith", I don't share your views on gay "marriage", but no not "despise" you for holding them.

As I said, and as can be seen from these pages, the war is wholly about politics, most here, and on the "liberal" left, see the "church" as the last bastion of conservatism and will never stop ridiculing and abusing people of faith till they get what they want, a completely secular society.

You appear to know the good that can be done by the church for society, yet you seem to have fallen for the "homosexual agenda" cliche to describe folks who only want to offer constructive criticism ?