Musket, I have yet to find any evidence that "beyond the pail" is a legitimate expression in the English language, but I'll take your word for it - and I'll continue to use the more common "beyond the pale."

I think I should ask for your logic in referring to extremists like the Westboro Baptist Church and the situation of the Ugandan priest suggesting "corrective rape" for a lesbian.

It seems to me that this is simply a variation of the argumentum ad absurdum logical error. To take isolated, extreme examples of misconduct of individuals in a group as proof of the nature of the entire group, seems to be both unfair, and to be unsound logic.

What were you trying to prove by bringing up these two extreme examples?

I was thinking about homosexual marriage over the last day or so. I don't know any homosexual couples who are married. I do know several lesbian couples who have had long-term, stable relationships - and these couples have come to seem quite normal to me. I don't know any male homosexual couples, although I do know individual male homosexuals. I think if I knew more couples, then male homosexuals would also begin to feel more "normal" to me.

-Joe Offer-