You are all obviously passionate about the subject but you need another angle.What is it that makes this subject so divisive could be one,other than using extremes.
Also if a scientist took a sample from each tradition and mapped just the physical symptoms it is sickenly obvious they are all realising the same thing.The scientists here throw the baby out imo.I totally understand hearing it cold like this sounds too simple.But that's because it is and a huge portion of society have realised this,the horse has bolted.All the thousands who have exp this have seen the likes of Brand and so forth speak openly about it and it has opened the floodgates.On that note i caught a clip of Bono alluding to his stirring,that was the word he used.Now this frustrates me because if everyone just came out with it it would be less of a big deal,because it isn't.Plus what flaming use is it if we all can't have it.
    Ideally i would love us as a race to take the clutter away from it and see the universal thing that it is.Then religions would dissolve.For the fearful Christian or Muslim this doesn't denigrate their religions it confirms them imo.
Yes same ole but surely you can see this now in 2013, that all religions are trying to deliver a higher state of consciousness.Name me one that isn't.Also these holy mens/gurus brains can be tested in the lab to show they operate differently,the data is out there for the scientifically minded.
Alot of very savvy people are suggesting we should do away with money and the way we do business and instead view your lifeforce as currency,i personally think that would be a huge step forward.
I'm with ake and think it's time we took stock of what we really need(Pope thread)It's an age of realisation we need,to take stock and see what history is,never ending cycles of same ol shighte an madness,lets stop it.We have tried everything all systems fail yet any could work if we fixed what needs fixing most urgent,our psyche/sub conscious.
    Hawkins was mentioned in the other thread,did you know he used to time holding his breath in the bath.Testing his lung capacity if i remember right, it is like meditation ..which helped deliver his "eureka moments" was it two he had i forget as i said.Those that take it to the limit in deep meditation see the quantum,be the quantum.
    Not in our lives maybe but one day science will deliver this up for us,mapping it i mean.