I wish to share something with you. I thought of Keith half an hour ago when researching a paper I am writing as commentary on the latest NHS mortality figures.

I wrote a comment refuting a claim by someone from Dept of Health. I wrote "you can't reason people out of positions they didn't reason themselves into."

Being lazy I would like to write that in this thread also and dedicate it to our resident evangelist for the establishment Keith A Hole of Hertford.