" ... as the theist posits a creator, there is a logical source to creation. shimrod may keep evading that by his "who made..etc....",and we could argue as to the being of the creator, or if he needed a creator, ..."

All man-made things are, of course, by definition, created by someone - but it doesn't LOGICALLY follow that everything, in general, was created by someone.

The source of everything that is not man-made is still a mystery but there is not a shred of evidence that it was created by some "immaterial", ineffable super-being. And if you have evidence for the existence of such a super-being, pete, let's be having it! Oh yes, and where did the super-being come from etc., etc., etc.? That's not being evasive, that's just asking some LOGICAL questions!