Speaking of 'PROCESS'...then why aren't you objecting to those who subvert 'liberalism' because of their CORRUPT practices??...especially in the name of 'Liberalism?' It's not any less corrupt than the 'so-called Conservatives' manipulating 'patriotism', for their mindset(which, BTW, they had defined FOR them)..just like liberals are having their mindset defined for them by corrupt party 'leaders'...just so they can get away with their criminal cons!!!

Example: Kissinger trading Saudi Arabia a moratorium on domestic drilling, as long as Saudi Arabia buys our bonds.....and then selling the idea to the 'environmentalists',(through Carter) that it was all about the environment????? That was no Environmental victory....it was a con!...and as soon as Saudi Arabia gets under attack, from any number of(our?) supported groups, we drill here, leaving the 'old regime' holding a bunch of worthless bonds...meanwhile, SOMEBODY makes off with the profits(being as they won't have to be paid back)...and do you think THAT is going to find its way into the hands of the needy????? .....and Carter was USED to pull it off, under the guise of 'liberal' causes. I'm telling you that BOTH sides are working in tandem...and to be very careful on also being used!
(Actually, it's a rather slick maneuver by some very powerful people..with FORESIGHT!)....but it's not 'Liberalism' OR Conservatism'.

And one more pertinent note: When 'Racist' and 'Bigot', and other stupid name calling gets thrown around, I guess the folks who ran out of answers, and whose backs are against the wall, then turn to the use of the word 'Troll'. So, is troll another word for, "I give up, you are just agitating for no reason!..Don't tell anyone that I ran out of answers!"
Get serious! You're not fooling any one with your mutual 'pats on the backs'.

If you have a salient point..put it forth, and talk it over like your point has a point! YOU might find out that you've been manipulated, and if the point is made CORRECTLY, the person you are 'debating' with might learn something as well.......that is, if there is something REAL to be taught!

GfS