Those who corrupt Liberalism in the name of Liberalism are not really Liberals.

You can call yourself a Liberal 'til hell freezes over, but if you act like Attila the Hun, you ain't no Liberal.

That does not invalidate the principles of Liberalism.

I have given you "salient points" all through this discussion, but you are either too thick-headed or mean-spirited to get it.

Don Firth

P. S. And, no, "troll" is what you are. You've been a troll ever since you came on Mudcat. I'm waiting for you to go the way of "Martin Gibson," who made himself so obnoxious his IP number got blocked.