yep...for 'some' trips, like to haul lots of stuff (people DO know that when attending the Getaway, I tend to bring it ALL..), I have a BIG (15 passenger)Dodge van...and 15MPG is about it...we do have a smaller car that will get 30mpg or so, but 2 adults and a teenager and all his books, computer, clothes...etc..won't fit...so....I do love my van but I don't drive a lot.