That isn't how it was put Jack. If it were, I would be happy not to trawl it up but it was quite obvious that I said that forgiveness is a human not a Christian trait and to forgive a fellow person is as a person, unless the person being forgiven takes it in a Christian meaning.

You then quoted the bible at me, thus reiterating that being a Christian is an important part of forgiving.

Does that mean that if I forgive someone, it is real forgiveness whereas someone forgiving because it is expected of them is somehow false? That's an interpretation of your stance.

At least you say trespasses. On those few occasions I find myself in a church, modern wording grates somewhat. King James is comforting, even to those of us for whom anything above the words washes over.

I see it as music without lyrics.

You keep making the mistake of confusing lack of understanding with asserting that understanding isn't necessary to form a view of the effect. Your continued analysis of why I don't suffer fools gladly on the BS section gets wider of the mark each time. And that is a shame, because it have no reason to believe you are a bad man, none at all. Your ability to bring out the worst in people is your weakness.



Got me at it now.....