Sorry Joe, I missed your post of 4;19.

I would just add, that Jack has been subjected to almost as much abuse as I have, and please don't call me a conservative :0).

Most folks round here think I'm a radical socialist, but mostly I'm just Ake, another Mudcatter who likes to put in his tu'ppence worth....civilly.

I do think that a lot of conservative core beliefs on social issues make sense, and some "liberal" ones are crass stupidity.
I suppose the only label I would be prepared to wear is "Anti-capitalist".....I'm with Francis on that one!!