Wow... I sleep late, and I miss a whole new tack in the discussion...

and I am totally bemused by this:
"If you are looking for someone to represent blind liberalism you could not do worse than Bill D."
Would you care to clarify that, Jack? I would not dare to comment on it as it stands.

And it is followed by this :
"Bill can be as guilty as any other in evasion and hyping his own views."