> in the end, that is what really matters.

To the experiencer.

Yes!

gnu and Ake (and any others), take Lightner at his word.

We all have very personal experiences. We all strive to make "sense" of those experiences. To make meaning, find meaning, or some combination thereof. As long as the sense or meaning one makes of an experience does not stem or result in "being mean" to oneself or to others, go with whatever conclusion at which you arrive, go with the mystery and wondering if you arrive at an ambivalent or paradoxical space - go with what works for you when it comes to what you make of those intensely personal experiences.