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Thread #133984   Message #3596469
Posted By: Teribus
29-Jan-14 - 06:29 AM
Thread Name: BS: Christmas Truce (1914)
Subject: RE: BS: Christmas Truce (1914)
For Musket:

1: I'll stick to the accounts of those who were there.
Will you give equal credence to those that were there and actually didn't mind it? Or are you only prepared to stick to those accounts that suit your own bias?

Here's Dan Snow's take on the myth that everyone hated it:
" Like any war, it all comes down to luck. You may witness unimaginable horrors that leave you mentally and physically incapacitated for life, or get away without a scrape.
Many soldiers enjoyed the First World War. If they were lucky they would avoid a big offensive, and much of the time, conditions might be better than at home.
For the British there was meat every day – a rare luxury back home – cigarettes, tea and rum, part of a daily diet of over 4,000 calories.
Absentee rates due to sickness, an important barometer of morale were, remarkably, hardly above peacetime rates. Many young men enjoyed the guaranteed pay, intense comradeship, responsibility and a much greater sexual freedom."



2: "I'll stick to the appalling statistics."
I have given you the statistics of the battles that first blunted the German push through Belgium and into Northern France and I have given you the statistics relating to the Battle that stopped the Schlieffen Plan in its tracks which ended all hope of a quick and easy war as far as anybody with even a whit of knowledge was concerned. Do the results of those engagements indicate failure and defeat to you? Strange if they do, because the side you and Christmas seem to regard as having been defeated actually won the war - they would not have done had the German attack not been halted - Also please note that in all three battles the Germans always had numerical superiority (Another statistic for you to stick by)

3: "I'll stick to the jingoistic attempts to sow seeds in heads.
You are welcome to do so, but don't attribute nonsense like "Home before Christmas" and "White feathers" to any official Government policy or statement. All sides used propaganda and we were no worse than any other.

4:   "I'll believe we executed our own soldiers for not being up to expecting the truth when they got there."
And whilst you are exercising that belief, have the honesty to put that into perspective (346 men executed in an army that numbered over 4,000,000 - a minute fraction of the numbers involved - true?). Also in your eagerness to cling to this fact also state the fact in the interests of objectivity and accuracy that for every ten men sentenced to death nine had their sentences commuted – so in all honesty, as borne out by those statistics, you know, the ones that you claim that you are prepared to stick by, we weren't really all that keen on executing our own were we?