You may be right psychomorris. I'm very interested in your post. But speaking for myself, I'm very old, have always sat down on the loo, and don't at all have stress incontinence. Neither did my old mum, nor does my sis. But we may just be lucky of course. Most Africans despise the 'chaise anglaise'. My husband did at first, but now he much prefers it. It will be interesting to see how he adapts to 'crouching' once more when he visits his family in Ivory Coast for 4 weeks in August!