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Thread #133984   Message #3598476
Posted By: Jim Carroll
05-Feb-14 - 05:58 AM
Thread Name: BS: Christmas Truce (1914)
Subject: RE: BS: Christmas Truce (1914)
"You are out of your depth here Jim."
We appear to be all out of out depths here in the face of your proclaimed infallibility.
Kitchener sent the wrong shells - he tendered his resignation, he was kept in office by his reputation as the hero of Omdurman and Kahtoum.
He offered to resign then withdrew it when he saw he could get away with it - he was one of the leasing "donkeys".
Settled - now respond the the fact that all your other arguments have been shot to pieces and stop trying to use this as a diversion
The rest of the below quoted article is well worth a read too.
Buffoon!!!
Jim Carroll

http://www.cercles.com/n21/parsons.pdf
"The admitted fact is that Lord Kitchener ordered the wrong kind of shell—the
same kind of shell that he used against the Boers in 1900. He persisted in
sending shrapnel—a useless weapon in trench warfare. He was warned
repeatedly that the kind of shell required was a violently explosive bomb
which would dynamite its way through the German trenches and
entanglements and enable our brave men to advance to safety. The kind of
shell our poor soldiers have had has caused the death of thousands of them.
Incidentally, it has brought about a Cabinet crisis and the formation of what
we hope is going to be a National Government.
This was greeted with outrage: The Times was accused of giving
sensitive information to the enemy and of undermining military and
civilian morale. Copies of The Times and the Daily Mail were burnt in the
streets and The Times was banned from a number of London clubs.
Northcliffe was, for many people in the British establishment, a cad.
Northcliffe however stuck to his guns and fought back, probably earning
grudging admiration in some quarters for having done a considerable
service to the cause of the war. Others probably never forgave him,
whether he was right or not.
It gradually became clear that there was a genuine shell shortage.
However this was not the only issue which threatened the government. At
least as significant in weakening the government's political position was
the resignation on 15 May 1915 of Lord "Jacky" Fisher, the First Sea Lord,
over the Dardanelles.