No-one is shouting anyone down, Wacko. We are simply offering the alternative point of view with considerable directness, having decided to eschew gentle diplomacy and indulgence with those who spout idiotic, bigoted and potentially hateful nonsense. The same treatment that non-believers or non-compliers have been handed down for centuries, minus the violence, of course. Incidentally, Wackers, the day I come here and "get upset" about anything is the day I cease posting.