True, all true Lighter, But the codification of logic, the "laws" which Mr. Ham refers to today came from the Greeks, whose written records give credit to certain mortal, dare I say, historical, philosophers for their formulation.

One could take Mr. Ham's logic and say that the universe as we know it today was formed in a battle between the Titans and the Greek Gods of Plato's time. After all, to disprove that would use "historical science" not "observational science." We can't KNOW that didn't happen any more than we can Know that the world was not on the back of a turtle circa 500 BCE. In fact we can't "KNOW" that there weren't real dragons at the end of the maps a week before Columbus set sail. Obviously in a Ken Hamian universe a thing only exists when it is observed by white men.