I don't think either Keith or myself are saying anything "unreasonable" Jack.
Keith is not even expressing an opinion, he is simply pointing out when others are being inaccurate or deliberately lying.

I take your point about lesbians, they seem to be more or less similar to heterosexual couples when in a committed relationship.

But the church has other issues about same sex "marriage", regarding family structure and theological teaching.
Children are the crux of the matter, it is regarded as the "ideal", if children are brought up by their natural parents in a secure family structure.....the Church wishes to reinforce this ideal, not weaken it.
Traditional marriage should always be between man and woman, to reinforce the family structure. All the "rights" are available through civil union and the institution of marriage should be supported in the interests of children everywhere.

it is my personal opinion, that the issue is really an attack on the Church and conservatism by "liberal activists" like those we see on these pages, do you not see the link in their continual attacks on religion...... it is estimated that only 0.04 of the population will avail themselves of homosexual "marriage", and of those who do 75% will be women.