"I'll use the term well led to describe the leaders in The NHS, where the term is outcome led rather than propaganda led." - Musket

I would rather think that metric applies itself even more to leaders, both political and military in time of war - I mean for a nation at war what could be more important than the outcome of that war.

Musket you really are a complete and utter arse at times.

Land Rovers?? That all you've got to carp on about? Chevy 3/4 Toners and Willy's Jeeps were good enough for the LRDG and the SAS operating in what was the most heavily mined environment of the Second World War - By the way there is no such thing as a "mine-proof" vehicle (They've been making anti-tank mines for decades)

Reduce the wasteage in the NHS and Welfare Budgets alone and you would double our current Defence Budget.

Between 2005 and 2008 you would have been safer on foot patrol in Sangin District, Helmand Province, than you would have been as a patient admitted to Stafford Hospital's A&E Department.

Gref F Wrong War??? Max Hastings on the Great War - sounds pretty much like the right war to me.