Shimrod, Perhaps you missed it when pete "explained" that "Darwinism" is a faith and that all of those scientists are religious zealots clinging to their beliefs. Yes I know it is nonsense. But it is genius nonsense. The angrier we get and more offended, the more he appears to be right. That is one of the reason I have tried to get certain very angry vilifiers of pete to tone it down. I am not saying this to get you to tone it down. You are being perfectly reasonable. But I do hope that you find it useful to keep in mind that pete may well think that you are the religious nutter, and that he is the one being rational.