Thanks GUEST, points noted.

Ed, I'm saying that I knew at the time because I did,

Same with the fisherman I knew, I know they knew because they told me. WELL BEFORE THE COLLAPSE HAPPENED They were taking 64' boats with otter trawls out to the Grand Banks and Georges Bank they and their captains had years of experience and could read their sonar as well as we can read and understand the thermostat in our houses.

That is why your description of your lobster "scientist" hit home for me.

I'm giving the dragger captains and foreign captains at least that much credit. Evidence that they knew is in your description of the dumping and under reporting vis a vis their quotas. They knew that the regulations were a joke. They took what they could to look out for their own families. On a sinking ship with no credible leadership it is every man for himself.