So the problem is, if you can't accept subtle forms of God, you are a fundamentalist and have no place in debate.

If someone is countering claims that faith contradicting scientific evidence is a conundrum, they aren't disrespecting faith, they are pointing out that the stories faith is built on shouldn't be confused with reality, yet intelligent people allow this to happen.

I can't understand it either. Superstition is so deeply ingrained it clouds reason. For that alone, it should be treated with caution.

I would remind Joe of the story of the King's new clothes.