Musket sez (27 Mar 14 - 08:01 AM):

I find it strange but increasingly so that if you really want to dismiss religion. If you have any doubt and you feel the need to justify said doubt....
Listen to the likes of Joe. Not pete, but Joe.
When the true colours come out, all that love and understanding crap is lost in the vitriolic insulting bilge water. Twisting what you said as if he lived in Hertford rather than California. If saying that spirituality, never mind religion, has no place in scientific approach and discovery makes you a fundamentalist, well give me an arts grant to explore my fund.
It is said that religion has respect by those who don't suffer from it due to the other nicer traits of the people involved. Personally, I reckon judging as you find works a treat.

I have to admit I don't understand a word of what he's talking about now. Can somebody please explain?

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...and then there's Steve Shaw (27 Mar 14 - 10:07 AM):

If believers see the hand of a God in evolution, they are absolutely in conflict with the science, one hundred percent. The whole concept of evolution is predicated on the fact that it isn't "driven" by any goal-oriented or intelligent mechanism. Impose that on it and you've ditched the whole bloody theory. Many well-meaning people of faith have tried to reconcile their belief in a God who made us all with the science of evolution, but I'm afraid the science of evolution is simply not interested. "I believe in evolution but I also believe that God kicked it all off and runs it" is simply a massive and abject intellectual copout, religion trying to be nice to uninterested scientists.

Notice his use of the word "absolute," and then explain to me the difference between his "absolute" beliefs, and the "absolute" beliefs of the born-again believers.

There's too damn much absolutism around here for me. It makes me gag, all these arrogant chaps and all their certainty.

-Joe Offer-