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Thread #150911   Message #3613338
Posted By: Teribus
28-Mar-14 - 08:05 AM
Thread Name: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
1: "You have been given the chronological list of the Great Irish Famine containing further statements by Trevelyan stating that the British economy was more important than feeding the Irish people (Government official policy)"

Christmas, apart from defence of the realm, what do you think the prime responsibility of the Government of any country is? Of course the economy of the country (Population of the whole at the time being some 25 million) was more important than feeding approximately 2 million people – If you disagree with that then you must be one of those clowns who when faced with any real problem advocates throwing the baby out with the bath water – You would seriously recommend putting 23 million at risk in your efforts to save 2 million?

On the strength of that British economy in the period we are talking about, you really should do some research '46; '47 & '48 Great Britain went through a financial crisis roughly equivalent to that recently experienced in 2008 – not waffle, merely a matter of recorded fact.

Also a matter of record is the fact that by the mid-1800s the Empire was actually costing Great Britain money.

2: As to you never claiming that there was a deliberate policy of genocide, or ethnic cleansing? Please explain your references to it, all taken directly from your contributions to this thread?

A: "I really did begin to wonder whether somebody who confesses to never having read a book on the subject really does know more than every single contributor to this forum, including those of us whose understanding of it is based on the fact that many of our ancestors (not only mine) fled from Ireland directly because of England's genocidal policy – whew what a relief!!"

B: "coming from a man in his position, that can only be construed as Government policy, in which case, The Famine was used as an exercise in ethnic cleansing."

C: "That policy was made clear by Britain'r representative in Ireland, Sir Charles Trevelyan' in a letter - it is indisputable British policy.

Your breathtaking cowardice in even acknowledging this statement, let alone trying to explain away the genocidal implications of it "


D: "John Mitchel, the Young Ireland leader, transported in 1848 to Van Diemens Land, had a different view, calling the famine "an artificial famine. Potatoes failed in like manner all over Europe; yet there was no famine save in Ireland. The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the famine".

E: "In a way, all historians are 'revisionists' on the subject - none of them have dealt with the Trevelyan letter and its implications of deliberate ethnic cleansing."

F: "I personally can't see how such a statement from Britain's powerful representative in Ireland cannot possibly be construed in any other way than 'ethnic cleansing and holocaust'

G: "It was the genocidal inaction that every single historian who has written on the subject has condemned - the racism that was behind it just explained that inaction.

H: "Because of the way the Famine was mishandled (some believe deliberately) Ireland was never able to recover it"

I: "You have described The Famine as "unprecedented" - it was.
The way it was handled was Genocidal "


3: As far as your attacks on Keith go, having gone through the exchanges on this thread I have found that at no time at all in any of his posts to this thread has he ever stated either of the following views:

A: "All you have ever said is "Britain didn't do it"

B: "from the start your line was that Britain was in no way responsible for the Famine"

You always bitterly resent it with complete and utter indignation when people put words in your mouth, yet you are not beyond inventing and quoting arguments and comments for people that they have never espoused - truly despicable behaviour.

Simple question for you Christmas that only requires a YES or NO answer.

Do you believe that the British Government carried out a deliberate policy of genocide in Ireland between the years 1845 and 1851?

No vast tracts of cut'n'pastes just a simple YES or NO.