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Thread #150911   Message #3615182
Posted By: Teribus
04-Apr-14 - 03:50 AM
Thread Name: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
Subject: RE: BS: Irish Potato Blight- Cause found
From this thread or any other for that matter Christmas please provide the quote from any of Keith's posts where he at any time has claimed or stated:

that British policy played no part in the Famine

Don't worry Christmas, I will not hold my breath waiting for you to back up that accusation. I know you do not like and cannot cope with direct challenges relating to fact. I also know that you tend to lie to support any point that you attempt to make. I also know that like John Mitchel and his fellow Young Ireland supporters you are totally clueless as to what measures you think could have been put in place, or how it could have been dealt with.

"Many key facts are clear: the Irish Famine was real, not artificial, food was extremely scarce; it could not have been solved by closing the ports; CHARGES OF GENOCIDE CANNOT BE SUSTAINED." - Canon John O'Rourke

"" The crucial question in whether or not it is genocide comes down to intent. Did the English government intend to destroy the Irish people? The answer is no. They were heartlessly negligent, but neglect is not the same as murder. There was never any plan to wipe out the Irish NOR ANY ACTIONS THAT COULD BE VIEWED AS SUCH. The government didn't directly kill anyone nor did they deliberatively destroy any food. In fact the relief aid, pathetic as it was, does damage the genocide argument. After all, why would the government set up soup kitchens** if it wanted the Irish to die?"

** - Those soup kitchens at the height of the Famine fed and kept alive damn near 43% of the population.

So far every single point you have put forward has been addressed.
So far every single counter-point put to you, every single question put to you has been evaded and ignored by you.

So when did the British Government force this agrarian policy on Ireland in the early part of the 19th century? For that matter when did the British Government force any agricultural policy on anybody anywhere during either the 18th or 19th centuries? Our members from across the pond might be able to tell us of any agricultural policies that were forced on any of the 13 Colonies by the British Government.

Also rather keen to discover how the British Empire actually managed to survive the number of years that it did being so reliant on Irish produce. I do presume that Irish farmers were paid for their crops and livestock and that if this was so essential to the well being of the British Empire and the system that produced this bounty was set up in the early part of the 19th century, how come the British Empire didn't starve when it all collapsed in 1845? Want to hear the truth Christmas?

The British Government never, ever imposed any agricultural policy, anywhere.

The agrarian set up in Ireland that prevailed in the mid-1800s was a shambles overseen by Irish landlords, Irish land agents, Irish tenant farmers, Cottiers (On whom the landowners and farmers depended for labour) and itinerant labourers.

Agriculture in Ireland was poorly organised and grossly inefficient and nobody, repeat NOBODY, concerned with it had shown the least interest in improving it for at least two hundred years. Commission after Commission had advocated that the system in place required sweeping reform - but due to inertia and indolence no-one involved with it in Ireland could be arsed to do anything about it, too laid back, anything for the easy life - Attitudes that prevailed and permeated from top to bottom - and in 1845 when the blight struck it bit them and bit them hard. All that the British Government of the day could do was REACT to the realities of the situation as it unfolded and evolved. There wasn't a single Government anywhere on earth that could have coped with the effects of the blight that struck in 1845.