Pete, there's no doubt that Jesus believed in Jonah and Genesis, but I wonder WHAT he believed about them. I think that this "creationism" and literalism in biblical interpretation is relatively new, a near-desperate attempt to prove the factuality of the Bible - I don't think Jesus and his Jewish contemporaries had the same slavish adherence to the literal word of Scripture that modern fundamentalists have. From all I'm read about literature at the time of Jesus, it's clear to me that things were written to convey ideas and impressions and thinking, not cold facts. I believe that the fundamentalism of the last two centuries has distorted the original meaning of the Scriptures, taking them as far more (and far less) than what the writers intended them to be.

Musket says (05 Apr 14 - 02:33 AM)

The point exists though Joe that many churches encourage people to pray for personal gain and solutions to temporal issues. That the same sentient being who allows hate to exist might give you divine guidance with your lottery tickets is rather baffling.

You're right, Musket. Take a look at the Wikipedia article on Prosperity theology. I find it rather frightening. Rev. Ike was a major proponent of Prosperity Gospel.

And: Your own logical take makes sense but as ever, as I don't reflect every non Christian, I doubt organised religions wish all adherents to reflect Joe Offer, as you have found out yourself...

Right again, Musket. I've suffered quite a bit for my insistence on a rational approach to the endeavors of religion. I've also found a lot of support, especially from the nuns I work with.

So, I'll agree with two of the points in your message, but not with your opinion of Akenaton. I like him. I may not agree with him, but he never expresses his thinking with a tone of hatefulness, and he gives me an opportunity to respond in a rational manner. And I also like Pete. I like you, too....can't be sure about that Steve Shaw guy, but he also has his good points. And I have to admit to a grudging respect for Jack Blandiver.

-Joe-