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Thread #150703   Message #3616354
Posted By: Jim Carroll
07-Apr-14 - 08:43 AM
Thread Name: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
Subject: RE: BS: Small hope for Israel/Palestine
"twenty-hundred-&-something"
It plays safe to limit discussion to 'the past' whenever you choose that to be
Over the last decade or so Israel have committed what they have and are still doing so in the name of Judaism (some of us think it just 'Israeli - you have indicated by your accusations that you believe it to be "Jewish - and "Anti-Semitic" to draw attention to it - but there you go).
Within my lifetime horrific abuses have taken place in the name of one religion or another - to pick on one and ignore the one is sectarian - to accuse an entire race for the crimes committed by religious fanatics or is racist perverts - is racist.
I don't believe abuses are committed by the tenets of any faith, just misuses and distortions of doctrines.
Any Christian could (and has) become a mass murderer if they followed the teaching of, say, Deuteronomy, - most people don't and Christians don't stone adulteresses or tear they eyes out of those who offend them.
You asked me once if I had ever met many Muslims - I replied I had met a few.
When I returned the question, you declined to answer.
Fine - I'll make my own assumptions on that one.
I found the people I met and worked for far more interesting, tolerant and ready to discuss both politics and religion, than I did most people, including my fellow countrymen.
I developed a shameful practice at work of never discussion race with the people I worked with, because I knew that it wold invariably lead to ugly, nasty name-calling
Something like a quarter of the people surveyed by the Daily Mail last year admitted to holding and expressing racist views.
I have never in my life, having travelled to over a dozen countries, including Muslim ones, experienced racial abuse because of my colour, belief or place of origin - wonder how many immigrants or even Britons from another country can say that?
I received my education in post-Empire Britain where we were still singing hymns that told us that to be foreign or of a different religion was to be "in error's chain"
Give us a break Mike - your bigotry is really not a lot different than the hate-mongers who preach the killing of infidels - or the sectarian thugs who will be marching a few hundred miles north of here, proudly telling us they are British and stamping on other people's beliefs.
I lived in London in the 70s and 80's when 'Christians' were placing bombs in shops, while at the same time on this side of the water other Christians who kicked with the other foot, were walking into crowded bars with machine guns and mowing down the drinkers.
Waddya want me to do - pick a side, tot up the bodies to decide which ones are the baddies and which the goodies (or maybe the less-baddies or goodies)      
As far as I'm concerned, you can all take your bigotry and stick it - that may seem unreasonable to you - from the particular side of the fence you choose to stand on.
Your childish abuse does nothing but underline your childishness
Am posting this now - hope this goes off ok, but there are probably a couple of typos for you to pick up instead
Jim Carroll