Al... The fact you are a nice guy does not necessarily mean that all who post here are also nice guys.

Serious discussion does not always have to be between nice guys or girls, I don't expect everyone to be nice, or even friendly, just that they cut out personal abuse, tell the truth, and don't misquote and misrepresent what others say.

People who do these things are not interested in debate, only in destroying debate....they are easy to spot and should be condemned by everyone, regardless of whether they agree with the member being attacked or not.

I have come to see the moderators here as fair, not perfect, but even handed and decent people.....I don't like to see them being taken advantage of by politically motivated clowns.

Sorry about the metaphor BTW.....but you do seem to have some weird ideas about what "motivates me"?
I am mainly "motivated" by the idiocies of "liberalism" as practiced in the UK, and its destructive affect on society at large and one section in particular.