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Thread #154378   Message #3622215
Posted By: TheSnail
25-Apr-14 - 08:22 AM
Thread Name: Bacup Nuters and Racism
Subject: RE: Bacup Nuters and Racism
Bryan
Jim Carroll
The bonfire took place in the Lewes District

Why stop there Jim? There are bonfire societies all over East Sussex. Why not condemn the whole county while you are at it?

and the organises allowed exactly what I said they did - the burning caravan was cheered loudly by watching crowds, who added comments of their own,

Really? That rather contrasts with this -
Residents of East Sussex village were shocked and horrified after a caravan with effigies of Gypsies was burnt at a village bonfire party organized by the Firle Bonfire Society. http://veshengro.tripod.com/id61.html Not a site that is likely to be biased towards the bonfire society.

For all your bluster - and whether it appeared in The Sun, The Times, or Blackpool's, 'Billy's Weekly Liar' - it is a fact,
Do I have to keep reminding you that your original statement was -
it isn't too long ago that the good people of Lewes were burning a caravan full of 'Pikeys' at their annual bonfire festival.?
You said your "facts" came from The Times. Not a word in that statement is true.

Lewes is not in a position to disassociate itself from what went on.
Why not? The only people who knew what the tableau would be before it appeared were the 12 members of the bonfire committee who made the decision and built it. To return to my original question which you have craftily avoided, why is this any different from holding Islam as a whole responsible for the Twin Towers or the murder of Lee Rigby?

I mentioned it because it was a public (whatever) and such events need to be monitored and should be liable to Britain's laws wherever they take place.
Monitored by who? All the bonfire societies are independant organisations. Nobody has authority over them. Of course they are liable to Britain's laws. All twelve were arrested. The fact that, in the end, I don't think they weren't prosecuted was up to the police or the CPS not "the good people of Lewes".

I have musician friends living in Sussex who won't go near the bonfires because of what they describe as the "sectarian" events they witnessed when they did attend.
But by your logic, if any of them live in Lewes they are still culpable simply by virtue of living in Lewes.

You mentioned "reasons" for the caravan burning - I would be fascinated to learn what they were.
As you said "the details are still fully accessible on the internet". If you are really interested, put in some effort and find out. You could start with the link I gave above. What the Firle Bonfire Society did was terribly wrong and terribly stupid but to fail to find out the full circumstances stinks of the lynch mob.

I was instrumental in preventing a planned petrol bomb attack on a caravan site full of Traveller men, women and children in the 1980s and I have since been told and seen the result of a number of these attacks - not a thing to promote as far as I'm concerned, and certainly not a thing to appease considering the position Britain and Ireland's Traveller population find themselves in today.

You might be interested to know that an unnofficial caravan site existed about half a mile from the village for several years after the event and there is an official site with full facilities about a mile away. I have never heard of a travellers' caravan being burnt in the Lewes area. Burning people alive went out of fashion around here after 1557.

I am glad you included Ireland above. Perhaps ypu should get your own house in order before slagging off places you've never been and know little about.
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