"Christ on a bloody bike. Indeed Steve - OK then care to take me to task on any of the factual content of my post? I won't hold my breath, as both you and I know that were to enter that arena I would rip you to bits.

Revisionism personified. ??

1: "We kill a hundred thousand Iraqi children in the 90s with our impoverishing sanctions and about ten times more innocent civilians with our illegal invasion in the noughties, yet it's Saddam who's the Nazi."

Couple of points here Steve, lets start with a question:
"Exactly how did we kill a hundred thousand Iraqi children in the 90s?"

You mentioned sanctions, but as we all know now, those sanctions were totally ineffectual and as ruler of the country didn't Saddam have some part to play in this? I mean that during this period of what you emotively refer to as an era or "impoverishing sanctions" while Saddam could not import medicines and food which were permitted he did manage to:
- import 384 rocket motors;
- build 34 Presidential Palaces (All lavishly appointed);
- start up and run a WMD programme for VX agent;
- illegally export oil to the tune of billions of US$ each year.

Don't know about you Stevie but if blame was the game I'd say that under such circumstances then the buck stops firmly with Saddam - not the big bad west.

So we killed "ten times more" than a hundred thousand in the "noughties" did we Steve - PROVE IT - Iraqi records put the total number at ~150,000 - i.e. those buried, those admitted to hospital for treatment, death certificates, etc, etc. If you want a good rundown on the unlikelihood of there ever having been anything close to one million Iraqi dead then visit IraqBodyCount.org they have an extremely good critique of the batch sample estimates that claimed such ridiculous figures (Why ridiculous? Here is an example of deaths from a concentrated bombing campaign - between 1939 and 1945 over 12,000 aircraft dropped 1.3 million tons of bombs on Germany and that managed to kill 635,000 people - yet "rational" Steve Shaw thinks that the US with only 385 aircraft in the space of six months killed over a million - ludicrous - it doesn't even withstand even the most basic critical scrutiny)

As far as who killed who in Iraq:
Total death toll = ~150,000
Killed nation-wide by US/MNF/Iraqi Security Forces = ~33,000
Killed nation-wide by AQII/Ba'athist insurgents/Sectarian Militias/Foreign Jihadists/Criminal Gangs = ~117,000
In Southern Iraq total death toll = 3,344
Killed by British Forces = 124
Killed by rival Shia sectarian militias and criminal gangs = 3,220

The Ba'athist Party in Iraq Steve was formed in 1947 as a pan-Arabist national socialist party - The party embraced nationalist, racist and a populist paramilitary culture similar to the National Socialist German Workers' Party, commonly known as the Nazi Party, the term Nazi is German and stems from "Nationalsozialist". If you are simply too thick to read the history and see the parallels then too bad.

2: "The same Saddam who had no WMDs, remember?"

If you believe that the invasion in 2003 had anything to do with Saddam Hussein HAVING WMD then you were successfully duped by MSM. Perhaps you should have read what the likes of UNSCOM, Blair and Bush actually said as opposed to what the papers said they said. Perhaps you should have read the 34 points detailed in United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 (Outlining the detail of the terms and conditions agreed at Safwan in March 1991 that Saddam Hussein refused to fully implement).


3: "Who exactly was it who told us all the lies, Teribus, old chum?"

WHAT LIES - OLD CHUM?? That Iraq MAY HAVE unaccounted for WMD? As stated by UNSCOM? As stated by Blair? As stated by George W. Bush. They BELIEVED that Saddam had WMD and Saddam himself admitted that he worked very hard and very deliberately to create precisely that impression - Hell even Dr. Hans Blix believed in the summer of 2004 while he was writing his book "Disarming Iraq" that Saddam had WMD

4: "We spend fourteen years in Afghanistan on the initial pretext of getting Al Qaeda out and succeed (as any bloody fool could have predicted) in driving them into bandit country just over the border in Pakistan, where they just wait for us to bugger off, which we will, before resuming control, and we call it "the war on terror".

Al-Qaeda and their Taleban hosts were driven out of Afghanistan back over the border into Pakistan (The birth place of both organisations) in 71 days in 2001.

Liked your rather fanciful take on the Taleban "resuming control" - Between November 1994 and October 2001 the Taleban backed to the hilt by Pakistan's Government, Army and Intelligence Services failed to defeat 35,000 men of the Northern Alliance. Since July 2013 the ANSF has been responsible for national security in Afghanistan, the Taleban to date have not beaten them once. Come January 2015 the Taleban will face a 354,000 strong ANSF made up of the same men they couldn't defeat between 1994 and 2001. Pakistan reliant on foreign aid and not wishing to upset the Chinese, or the Americans will do as they are told.

5: Rather than being "a demonising load of old bollocks" my post is based on extremely well documented fact, and while I am delighted to hear that you have "absolutely no time for Saddam, his ilk, the Taliban or for Al Qaeda" it would appear that you are fully prepared to stand on the sidelines wringing your hands and saying how terrible things are you are fully prepared to merely just let them carry on as normal. Fortunately, for the people of both Afghanistan and Iraq, neither the President of the United States of America or the Prime Minister of the UK were prepared to just stand by and watch. It seems that not only have you no time for the truth - you would appear not to be able to distinguish the truth if it jumped up and bit you.