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Thread #154617   Message #3629060
Posted By: Joe Offer
30-May-14 - 12:32 AM
Thread Name: BS: Off goes another violent thug
Subject: RE: BS: Off goes another violent thug
Eliza's description of a correctional institution in the UK:

Well, yes, without the "little darlings," "lounging," "cosseting," and such inflammatory rhetoric, that's pretty much the description of a correctional institution run on humane principles. It seems only right for a "civilized" society to provide adequate nutrition, shelter, and medical care for inmates. It also makes sense to provide education and job training. Maybe an educated and job-trained inmate will go back to a life of crime once he's released, but it still makes sense to give him the ability to live life otherwise if he chooses. And all those "comforts" (which really aren't extravagant) result in a more docile prison population that is safer and easier (and cheaper) to control.

The alternative is cruelty, and I suppose there are many who believe that cruel treatment of inmates is justified. But does it do any good to be cruel, and does cruelty in incarceration make us a better society? And does cruelty to criminals help prevent crime? I don't think so.

In my thirty years as a federal investigator, I visited at least half of the correctional institutions in the State of California. Some of them were labeled "country club prisons" by the demagogues who screamed that liberals were "soft on crime." Well, I've never seen a prison that looked anything like a country club, and I've never met a government official who had a favorable opinion of crime or criminals. That's just rhetoric.

Realistically, incarceration is a necessary part of an effective criminal justice system, but it's a remedy that must be used judiciously. We also need to use creative, practical, tough alternatives to incarceration.

And so after thirty years as a federal investigator, I now work in corrections reform. It's interesting to see the views of UK people on this subject.

Certainly, it's not right to allow those NOT in prison to go without adequate food, shelter, and medical care - but the fact that such things happen, is not an excuse for failing to provide such things to inmates who do not have the freedom to provide such things for themselves. Your argument is invalid, Eliza.

-Joe-