You want an answer Joe?

You provided it yourself in your discussion with Michael.

I have yet to come across a person who uses a religion as their moral guide accept that some of us can be comfortable with our morals without needing such a crutch.

So you, like all the others, feel the need to think we use Dawkins as a substitute. That is a prime example of irrationality. I recall Jack the Sailor note I said something similar to Dawkins on a particular subject and he became adamant that I substituted his work for scripture in my moral code.

The blinkered rationale that we all have a faith of some description. That is what I mean. And that is part of the problem.

You can point to catholic good works all day but if you insist on them describing Catholicism , you can't be surprised when I ask if issues such as this thread subject describe it also?