Actually, Ian: Keith is ten times the debater you will ever be. You show a glimmer of intelligence now & again; but can never resist undermining with some sort of smartarse crack or childish challenging-the-grown-ups naughty word. Keith, OTOH, selects a line of argument and sticks to it resolutely, without FWIW any recourse to what are generally regarded as obscene modes of expression. You really have nothing to patronise him about, believe me! Boot firmly on other foot... Only perhaps you are after all too thick to see it?

~M~