So are the children of the unwed still denied "baptism" in the Catholic Church ?       And the doctrine that children are born with a sin nature is a biblical doctrine. Are you saying that Christians are not to believe the bible? I should have thought that would be expected.       Seems strange to me that even though joe does not excuse the crimes of clerics and nuns, and even is a "progressive"catholic, that you are going after him so strongly and persistently.