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Thread #154775   Message #3638007
Posted By: TheSnail
01-Jul-14 - 06:22 AM
Thread Name: BS: Scientific misconceptions.
Subject: RE: BS: Scientific misconceptions.
Steve Shaw previously -
Next, "survival of the fittest", as described by the ignorant writer of the piece, has nothing to do with individuals or species or whatever,

In his definition of Natural Selection, Darwin uses the word "individual" three times and "species" twice. Just in case you hadn't noticed, the main title of his book is "The Origin of Species". He has a rather flowery writing style so it can be difficult to extract the kernel of what he is saying. I think this about does it - "will tend to the preservation of that individual, and will generally be inherited by its offspring. The offspring, also, will thus have a better chance of surviving". You seem to have terrible trouble understanding that so perhaps this will help -

But natural selection doesn't choose genes directly, it chooses the effects that genes have on bodies, technically called phenotypic effects.
Richard Dawkins "The Blind Watchmaker" Penguin Books p60

Steve Shaw
make a case?

natural selection operates on heritable traits. Natural selection operates on heritable traits. Natural selection operates on heritable traits.

I don't think taking an unsupported statement and saying it three times constitutes making a case. All that was missing was "Because I say so!" on the end. You never make a case. For all I know, you may have a valid case but you positively refuse to present it. A few days ago, I quoted Darwin's own definition of Natural Selection without comment. On the strength of that you have linked me with "Adolf" called me a fascist and implied that I am a racist. That isn't the best way to bring people over to your point of view.

Most bizarrely, you have called me a neo-Darwinist. I think I'll come back to that separately.

(Thanks for picking up on "goals", DaveO. Saved me the trouble.)